“Engaging with laura on Zoom, even on Zoom, laura is a great bullshit detector. I mean, she can tell when I’m doing it. It’s about you and the way I make meaning of the world, the way I mess up myself and the way I get into messes with others. I always feel after a session with laura, that I have had a thread, she’s given me a thread that I can take and then follow as a guide out of the woods basically. laura gave me the tools to do that, and it’s really hard to describe all of what those tools are. There are so many of them. She comes into the room with you and she helps you furnish your room in the way you need it to be furnished for the work you need to do. And sometimes it’s internal furnishings and other times it’s other chairs outside yourself or supports or comfort for others.”